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By: ~clay » Blog Archive » Engineering and Operations: Bridging the Divide

~clay » Blog Archive » Engineering and Operations: Bridging the Divide — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:13:14 +0000

[...] recent post by the folks over at Agile Web Operations

By: Clay McClure

Clay McClure — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:00:50 +0000

Great points, and a timely post. I’ve recently been thinking about how site reliability engineering teams, like those at Google and Facebook, might be able to alleviate some of the tension between the traditional engineering and operations teams:

http://daemons.net/~clay/2009/04/02/engineering-and-operations-bridging-the-divide/

By: Dan Ackerson

Dan Ackerson — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:13:10 +0000

@John : can’t get much more agile than doing 10+ deployments a day -> this is a great example of what developers & operations folks can accomplish if they work together!

@ Damon : I wonder how the increased usage & acceptance of virtual architectures will lead to complete builds (meaning the architecture and applications). I think once dev&ops share responsiblity for the build they’re tools will being to coincide enabling them to work together more naturally. Maybe too much of the “Grand Unification Theory” but a man can dream, right?

By: Damon Edwards

Damon Edwards — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:00:08 +0000

To see the profound difference between the world views of development and operations, look no further than the tools each group “can’t live without”. The difference is quite striking.

http://dev2ops.blogspot.com/2007/08/dev-sees-world-one-way-while-ops-sees.html

By: John Allspaw

John Allspaw — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:50 +0000

I’m talking about this exact topic (and how cooperation happens at Flickr) at the Velocity Conference:
http://en.oreilly.com/velocity2009/public/schedule/detail/7641