Comments on: Dev and Ops Cooperation http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/ Helping web developers and operations bridge the deployment gap Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:31:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Matthias Marschall http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1727 Matthias Marschall Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:19:41 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1727 Definitely true that business problems are most difficult to fix. It might help to find and point out the business impact of the team wise sub-optimizations. Maybe you can try to draw a <a href="http://www.agileweboperations.com/i-want-start-agile-how-can-i-do/">value stream map</a>, to find out about the biggest trouble spot together with your manager and the other teams. Good luck! Definitely true that business problems are most difficult to fix. It might help to find and point out the business impact of the team wise sub-optimizations. Maybe you can try to draw a value stream map, to find out about the biggest trouble spot together with your manager and the other teams.

Good luck!

]]> By: Brian Dunbar http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1726 Brian Dunbar Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:16:40 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1726 <i>assuming that’s what you want to do)?</i> Done that, brother - I've got a puppet server up and it edits the banner page on a select set of servers. My sysadmin peers are on board with the broader idea, so is my manager. What we lack is the time at work to make it happen for more hosts and in a broader context. Things work, they just are sub-optimal. And the guys in dev are busy doing their thing ... which works, it's just sub-optimal. This isn't a problem we can hack with technical items - it's a business and organization problem. Which is the most difficult of all to hack: no man pages to look at. assuming that’s what you want to do)?

Done that, brother – I’ve got a puppet server up and it edits the banner page on a select set of servers. My sysadmin peers are on board with the broader idea, so is my manager.

What we lack is the time at work to make it happen for more hosts and in a broader context. Things work, they just are sub-optimal. And the guys in dev are busy doing their thing … which works, it’s just sub-optimal.

This isn’t a problem we can hack with technical items – it’s a business and organization problem.

Which is the most difficult of all to hack: no man pages to look at.

]]> By: Matthias Marschall http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1712 Matthias Marschall Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:01:22 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1712 Hi Brian, I can imagine how bad you feel, if not everyone is on board. Isn't there a way to e.g try and learn a tool like puppet or chef at home and use it to automate one of your next install or config jobs (assuming that's what you want to do)? If you want, mail me at mm at this domain, to discuss your situation in more detail. Maybe we can find at least a first baby step together? Hi Brian, I can imagine how bad you feel, if not everyone is on board. Isn’t there a way to e.g try and learn a tool like puppet or chef at home and use it to automate one of your next install or config jobs (assuming that’s what you want to do)?

If you want, mail me at mm at this domain, to discuss your situation in more detail. Maybe we can find at least a first baby step together?

]]> By: Brian Dunbar http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1711 Brian Dunbar Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:26:36 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1711 <i>John and Paul say: “If there is only one thing you do…” and I couldn’t agree more.</i> I fully agree. Yet you cannot make this happen without everyone being on board - ops, dev, business, and management. We don't have that agreement where I work and it is frustrating to read about things like this happening elsewhere and know I'll never see it in the office. John and Paul say: “If there is only one thing you do…” and I couldn’t agree more.

I fully agree. Yet you cannot make this happen without everyone being on board – ops, dev, business, and management.

We don’t have that agreement where I work and it is frustrating to read about things like this happening elsewhere and know I’ll never see it in the office.

]]> By: ereami (Elderclei Reami) http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1595 ereami (Elderclei Reami) Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:07:17 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1595 I experienced devs + ops collaboration at ABN Amro and UOL. This is a must. Have a look at the article http://bit.ly/11d0in to see why. I experienced devs + ops collaboration at ABN Amro and UOL. This is a must. Have a look at the article http://bit.ly/11d0in to see why.

]]> By: Mr. Hericus http://www.agileweboperations.com/dev-and-ops-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-1221 Mr. Hericus Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:53:58 +0000 http://www.agileweboperations.com/?p=1448#comment-1221 Thanks for the links to the presentations and the videos. Very interesting material. I think it is crucial for small and large development teams to really wake up and realize the wealth of tools that are available to help them automate their standard processes from build, to test, and deploy. The tools available today can give even the smallest teams the freedom to focus on what is important. Automate everything that can be, so that your creativity and efforts are focused where they need to be. Mr. Hericus Thanks for the links to the presentations and the videos. Very interesting material.

I think it is crucial for small and large development teams to really wake up and realize the wealth of tools that are available to help them automate their standard processes from build, to test, and deploy.

The tools available today can give even the smallest teams the freedom to focus on what is important. Automate everything that can be, so that your creativity and efforts are focused where they need to be.

Mr. Hericus

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